Oppo, may I present...

"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck) 04/27/2016 at 14:32 • Filed to: Celebrity

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This amazingly clean Chevrolet Celibrity EUROSPORT.

shop-teacher > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:34

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Ha!

Party-vi > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:36

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Would

Party-vi > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:36

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you

Party-vi > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:36

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look

Party-vi > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:36

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at

Party-vi > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:37

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that!

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:37

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Yes! It is truly the pinnacle of INTEREST

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:38

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THAT CAR IS NOT A TOYOTA WHAT IS THIS SORCERY

Nibby > Party-vi 04/27/2016 at 14:39

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DD

jimz > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:40

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y’know, apart from the “Eurosport” nonsense, the Celebrity (and its platform-mate Pontiac 6000) was fairly well received back when it was new. The main downside was that the base engine was the Iron Duke, an engine so obsolete it was outdated before it even existed. And GM had the balls to call it “Tech 4.” Car & Driver used to call it the “lo-Tech” 4 or “lack-of-Tech 4.”

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:41

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My brother’s first car was an 87 Celebrity, I remember him being very jealous of a clean black and red Eurosport that we saw a lot. So much so that his second car was a 94 Gran Prix Sport that was also black with red trim.

Dru > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:41

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I wish I had a link to that fantastically awful 10 minute commercial for this turd.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 14:49

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I drove a couple of those, back in the day. Cool steering wheel. Underpowered. Next!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 04/27/2016 at 14:52

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Iron Duke Story: we spent a week at Big Bend in southern Texas in around 1995. We had a rental car, a Celebrity with an Iron Duke engine. The gas stations sold gasoline that was the lowest octane I’d ever seen: 95 (r + m)/2. I commented to my dad that they had low-test and lower-test. But the Iron Duke ran great on that stuff with no knocking or pinging, four adults in the car and the A/C running. Wasn’t very fast ...

Svend > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 15:01

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‘Eurosport’, what sport is that then?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Svend 04/27/2016 at 15:04

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Probably rugby

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/27/2016 at 15:06

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I think you mean 85. I’ve seen 85 (R+M)/2 in higher altitude areas.

and yeah, I can see how that engine would have been fine with it. I think you could generate more compression doing armpit farts than that old wheezer had in its cylinders.

Ash78, voting early and often > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 15:07

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There's always something impressive about a really clean car you normally only see faded, rusted, and forgotten. This is almost like some sort of Hollywood prop.

Steve in Manhattan > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 15:13

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Probably slightly stiffer shocks at the front, and badges. Lots of badges.

Svend > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 15:27

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If you mix rugby with football do you get American football.

My colleague (work-wife) told me a joke last night.

What happens when you mix viagra with prozac?

If you don’t get a f***, you won’t give a f***.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 04/27/2016 at 15:30

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LOL. As far as the (R + m)/2, I was just showing off. I really do not know what it means or where you’d see it, though it is the average of two variables.

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/27/2016 at 15:35

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there are two common tests for determining a fuel’s octane rating, the research octane number (RON) and the motor octane number (MON.) the two tests simulate different operating conditions. MON is a bit more stressful and a given fuel will have a substantially lower motor octane number than its research octane number. in the US and Canada we use the average of the two ratings and call it “anti-knock index” (AKI.) Europe and many/most other places just use RON, which is why gas in those countries has a higher octane number. It’s not actually higher octane, it just doesn’t have the motor octane number involved. So 98 RON in Europe is roughly equivalent to 93-94 AKI here.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 04/27/2016 at 15:56

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You’ve schooled me. When I was in high school, I spent a lot of time in the Metal Shop turning hammers on a lathe. I still have one of them... That would have been 1981 or ‘82. The shop teacher, Mr. Swanson, was multi-level marketing a fuel additive that was supposed to boost octane or reduce detonation, or whatever. He was the one who told me about (r + m)/2. I’ve seen it on gas pumps, but I never knew what it meant.

ly2v8-Brian > Svend 04/27/2016 at 15:58

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Black trim instead of chrome.

TheHondaBro > Svend 04/27/2016 at 16:12

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Professional gaming.

The Powershift in Steve's '12 Ford Focus killed it's TCM (under warranty!) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 16:34

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I read an interview a few years back with the guy who lead the design and development of the Eurosports. It was interesting, because he describes the development as a great success for GM - it was done quickly, cheaply, offered some tangible improvement for the customer that they seemed to appreciate, and had high profit margins.

On the other hand, it was a minor improvement on a stunningly mediocre car that was in no way competitive with the market leaders.

Lets see if I can dig up the article...here we go!

http://autosofinterest.com/2012/10/31/gue…

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Steve in Manhattan 04/27/2016 at 18:04

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The EUROSPORT badge is about 18" wide

Steve in Manhattan > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 18:16

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I remember that ... it’s that fiction that, if you put a GT badge on a car (or STE, or a thousand other letter combinations I can’t recall) it makes it faster. The words “appearance package” come to mind. My ‘97 SHO had go faster (OK, not much faster) bits it. My ‘91 CRX Si had a more powerful engine and a handling package. The Si badge on the liftgate was barely visible.

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/27/2016 at 19:55

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fuel additive that was supposed to boost octane or reduce detonation, or whatever.

they’re the same thing. See, the octane rating of gasoline denotes its resistance to autoignition; you want the gas/air mix to start burning only when ignited by the spark plug. and that burn has to be a rapid but smoothly controlled burn (deflagration.) if something ignites it before the spark plug fires (e.g. a “hot spot” in the chamber, or just high compression temperatures) then when the plug does fire you’ll have two separate flame fronts in the chamber which can then cause the entire mixture to detonate (generating pressure shock waves) which can lead to engine damage. When you see people putting big turbos on engines and then blowing them up on a dyno or the dragstrip, chances are detonation is what blew the engine apart. But it’s important to keep in mind that this is the only thing the octane number tells you, a higher number means more resistance to autoignition and nothing else . If your car/truck says it only needs regular, then you’re wasting money by putting premium (or octane boosters) into it.

Interestingly, diesel fuel is rated on a different scale called “cetane number.” and it’s pretty much the exact opposite of octane number. since diesels rely on compression ignition (e.g. they compress the air in the cylinder so much that it gets hotter than shit, then inject a fuel spray) you want diesel fuel to autoignite easily. so higher cetane number means the fuel autoignites more easily.

so that means- counterintuitively- that mixing small amounts of gasoline into the tank of a diesel vehicle will lower the fuel’s cetane rating and make it harder for the engine to ignite the fuel; likewise a small amount of diesel mixed into the tank of a gas vehicle will lower the fuel’s octane rating and make it more prone to detonation.

dogisbadob > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 20:04

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The Celebrity is a famous car

ranwhenparked > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/27/2016 at 20:46

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Either somebody really cherished that thing, or it just spent most of its life with an elderly owner that drove it ~15 miles a month.